tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2757843724951902404.post8130298324009433536..comments2023-10-25T07:34:46.911-05:00Comments on The Race Set Before Us--Class Blog: Does Hebrews 12:17 Teach That Esau Could Not Repent?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2757843724951902404.post-70023295073442293032007-07-17T00:12:00.000-05:002007-07-17T00:12:00.000-05:00Nick, thanks for the comments on this text - showi...Nick, thanks for the comments on this text - showing the importance of reading and interpreting the Greek text to provide clarity of what the original author wanted to communicate to his readers. <BR/><BR/>Thomas Watson, in his book, The Doctrine of Repentance, says that "Repentance is a grace of God's Spirit whereby a sinner is inwardly humbled and visibly reformed." (p.18) Watson goes on to say that repentance is a spirtual medicine made up of six ingredients: sight of sin; sorrow for sin; confession of sin; shame for sin; hatred for sin; turning from sin. "If one of these is left out it loses its virtue." (p.18)It doesn't appear from the Hebrews text in greek (nor from the account in Gen.)that Esau had any of these ingredients Thomas Watson identifies as necessary for true repentance.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02498918623868600727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2757843724951902404.post-47143608969090961412007-07-16T16:22:00.000-05:002007-07-16T16:22:00.000-05:00Thanks for looking this up and posting it! This i...Thanks for looking this up and posting it! This is an encouragement to my faith and a good reminder that it is toward our God Himself that we should be sorry, not just toward consequences of our actions.<BR/><BR/>I think I remember you saying in class that according to the means of salvation view, there would be no people (under the New covenant?) who actually do fit the description of a person in Hebrews 6 or 10. If I understand correctly what you taught in class, would that also mean that no one actually does act like Esau? I think it is still hard to wrap my mind around that, especially when you look at Christianity, it does seem like there are people who fit the descriptions of those we should not be like in these warnings. It seems like just as there are positive and negative Biblical examples (Jacob/Esau, Peter/Judas), there would be real life positive and negative examples today. Maybe that is what would cause some to lean toward the tests-of-genuineness view, because we can see people who fit the description. What piece am I missing here in my understanding?<BR/><BR/>Also, would Malachi 2:13 be another example like Esau of weeping without repentance? In the context of Judah's unfaithfulness and the theme of marriage and divorce, it says "Another thing you do: You flood the LORD's altar with tears. You weep and wail because he no longer pays attention to your offerings or accepts them with pleasure from your hands."Lydia Lutzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10452592478312826565noreply@blogger.com